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Poster: lissener Date: Sep 6, 2011 2:26pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Is this film really in the public domain? I could definitely see Banksy doing that, but there's no mention of its PD status on Wikipedia or the film's official website. Thanks!

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Poster: jeffzkrazie Date: Sep 6, 2011 4:30pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Check for a copy right notice at the beginning or ending of the film.!

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Poster: derkman96 Date: Sep 6, 2011 5:59pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

It's almost definitely not public domain due to the fact it was released last year. Even without a copyright notice, it would be under copyright. Unless the owner of the copyright makes it public domain (releases it to the public domain) it will be under copyright. Most works after 1989 will not be public domain.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 7, 2011 5:44pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

As of 1976 copyrights have been automatic, there is no opt-out of copyrights, period.
Where did you get 1989 from?

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Poster: derkman96 Date: Sep 7, 2011 6:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Isn't it 1989...? I thought that if you had an invalid notice it would be public domain. And I just looked and I am correct according to VideoCellar

http://www.archive.org/post/316307/another-list-of-movies-in-question

So yeah. That's a good guide ^^ That's the one I use.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 7, 2011 7:05pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

http://www.copyright.gov/
debate your findings with the copyright office.

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Poster: derkman96 Date: Sep 7, 2011 7:10pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

No thanks. I wasn't debating. If you don't want to believe me, then don't.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 7, 2011 7:14pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

The information is there for everyone, if you don't want the correct info, that is your decision.

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Poster: derkman96 Date: Sep 7, 2011 7:43pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

The info I linked is also there for everyone, I just have a hard time deciphering some of the lawspeak. VideoCellar, being a law teacher, has translated the copyright laws so that the layperson can read them. If you want to start an argument I'll start one. I happen to know that without a valid copyright notice within the years 1964-1989 then the movie could be public domain. There are of course some other steps to take after you determine whether or not the notice is valid, but those steps are irrelevant at this time as we are talking about a movie created in 2010.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 7, 2011 8:11pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

The movie in question was made in 2010, all my comments were directed at the movie being discussed.
No offense toward video-seller but I would rather understand information for myself than to rely solely on 3rd party opinions.
I personally don't think that a layperson is unable to comprehend the information on the websites provided to the public by local government offices.
RE: "If you want to start an argument I'll start one."
there is no argument to be had.





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Poster: derkman96 Date: Sep 7, 2011 8:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

I believe that we can both agree that the only films made after 1989 that are currently in the public domain are on purpose (I.e. They were dedicated to the public domain) and I can show you a few examples of films made after 1978 that are pd. And I feel like you know that there are films made after 1978 that are public domain and you are arguing (or not arguing... Whichever you prefer) just because. By the way, can you show me on copyright.gov where you got the year 1976? I'm curious what I'm missing.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 7, 2011 9:30pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Here is a link:
http://ed.uiuc.edu/wp/copyright/copyrightlaw.htm
it's not as confusing as the Copyright Act, you'll find your answer there.

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Poster: derkman96 Date: Sep 8, 2011 4:55am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Funny, I thought you said I wasn't supposed to trust 3rd party information.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:00am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Seriously?
"I thought you said I wasn't supposed to trust 3rd party information"
No I did not write that. I personally don't care if you rely solely on 3rd party opinions or not. What I wrote is in the thread.
I wrote as of 1976 the US copyright act (effective as of 1978) copyrights were granted automatic, no more "formalities". What the copyright owner does after with his/her copyrights is up to the owner.
You came back with something off topic, again.
So I simply suggested you check your facts with a Legitimate Local Government Office, you opted to rely solely on someone's opinions.
I am not a teacher of law, nor am I an active legal counsel for Intellectual Property and Copyrights.
You keep asking me to prove something to you, I thought it best to direct you to Legitimate Local Government Offices so to avoid any misinformation.
The more we all understand the better off we all will be.
There are free legal clinics and even hotlines for questions regarding copyrights.
Again, no offense toward video-celler, but how do you know 100% that video-celler is right?




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Poster: derkman96 Date: Sep 8, 2011 3:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Sorry Man (or woman...?) I was just giving you flack. I really don't care. I use VideoCellar because I can tell he knows his stuff and it's easier for me to read. To each his/her own I guess...

Seriously though, don't take anything to offensive, I've just been in a trollin' mood lately.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 8, 2011 3:37pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

no worries man apology accepted and thanks, it was very cool of you. I'm a guy by the way


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Poster: lissener Date: Sep 6, 2011 6:05pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Right, that was my understanding too. That's why I asked here, to find out if anyone can confirm that Banksy has done so. As I said in my OP, that sounds like something he'd do. But because it's so new I wanted to be sure. Thanks.

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Poster: mndean Date: Sep 7, 2011 5:02pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Doesn't really matter whether he would do or not if he's not sole owner of the film and all the rights.

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Poster: HektorT Date: Sep 7, 2011 5:32pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

It could be made publich domain via a Creative Commons license. But that hasn't been done. Apparently the publisher protects the rights

http://www.filmsforaction.org/Watch/Exit_Through_The_Gift_Shop_2010/

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 7, 2011 5:58pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

A Creative Commons license does not make a Work public domain.
Take a look at the website below for more info.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses

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Poster: HektorT Date: Sep 8, 2011 1:48pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

No it does not make it public domain but the appropriate CC license gives pretty much the same rights. Which fulfills the objective of letting anybody use, sell or modify it. Sure there are some minor differences but if you want to argue semantics find Video Cellar.

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 8, 2011 2:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

I read that video celler is a professor of law in Australia? My professors are American and Canadian, so of course I would welcome an informed discussion with a law professor from another country.
The more I understand about Intellectual Property and the Copyrights that apply the better.



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Poster: HektorT Date: Sep 11, 2011 3:18pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

If memory serves me correctly, VideoCellar is a history teacher who is an IP Law hobbyist

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Poster: jory2 Date: Sep 12, 2011 10:13am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

Well on that note, should you or I find ourselves in a court room facing charges of copyright infringement, a history teacher who's an IP (Intellectual Property?) hobbyist won't be of much use.

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Poster: HektorT Date: Sep 12, 2011 12:40pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Exit Through the Gift Shop

I agree with you. But given the lack of IP (intellectual property lawyers) posting, VideoCellar's contributions are more often than not very useful. In my opinion he also tends to err on the conservative side, which could help prevent people from landing in court.

This post was modified by HektorT on 2011-09-12 19:40:48

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